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Is 2nd ammendment all that important?
| - Constitution should never be violated |
   4 (57.1%) |
| - These are special circumstances, its justified |
1 (14.3%) |
| - What the hell is the 2nd ammendment anyways? |
0 (0%) |
| - Hard call to make, constitution is important but so is public safety |
2 (28.6%) |
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| Total Voters: 8 |
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Topic: Is 2nd ammendment all that important? (Read 1252 times)
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Beermaster
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As you all know all guns, registered, unregistered, legal or illegal are being confiscated by the police and national guard in New Orleans. Lets discuss the implications of such actions...
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NJBarraco
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Hard Call to make. On the news I heard people were being shot at. Take away the gun problem eliminted. Miss a couple of people; people hurt badly and or killed.
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Bullhunter
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The only way this would be OK with me is if they were being held and the legal owners could claim them by model & serial numbers and get them back.
"the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed".
Sounds pretty straight forward to me.
The founding fathers knew what they were doing, and the judges are screwing things up.
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h2o
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I'm with you bullhunter, get them back. But if ppl. are shooting @ rescuer's than there plan is justified.
h2o
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Bullhunter
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H2o , Its not right to punish the law abiding people by taking their guns because a small number of gang bangers are shooting at rescures.
Rescuers should have armed escorts (National Guard and or police) to return fire and kill these assholes.
We all travel our highways, but a very small number of drivers are willing to drive drunk or on drugs.
So for the safety of all, lets take away everyone vehicle.
I don't buy into that line of thinking.
Subverting the constitution for any reason or justification is bad and heads us down a slippery slope.
If it becomes legal or Ok to restrict one right, then all granted rights then are subject to restriction.
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icefishermanmark
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| Quote (Bullhunter @ Sep. 14 2005,7:51) | | H2o , Its not right to punish the law abiding people by taking their guns because a small number of gang bangers are shooting at rescures. |
It's sad that that is how it works sometimes. I'm not a fan of guns, but I believe you should have the right to bear arms. Tough call, but ya gotta do what ya gotta do. |
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h2o
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The Big Easy is a special circumstance and what ever it takes to stop the shooting is a good thing for now. Just to begin with look @ the live's saved by doing that. Now isn't that worth the temporary removing of guns for now. I think so.
h2o
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icefishermanmark
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I agree with Greg, the only thing I can see is that some people may be killed because they lost their guns.
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Bullhunter
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They who are willing to trade some rights and liberties for alittle safety will soon have neither.
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h2o
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Like the innocent people being shot by the idiots with guns. They don't have either. I think its not a little safety, it's alot of safety.
h2o<--says it's just a good plan for now to stop people tryin to do good from being shot.
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Beermaster
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The federal government has proven to be useless throughout this whole thing. Mr. Chertoff sent out a memo 3 days after katrina hit putting everyone to work. That included FEMA. FEMA is under full jurisdiction of the dept of Homeland Insecurity. Michael brown, as incompetent as he was was not really at fault, but ended catching most of the flack. Chertoff takes his orders directly from the joint chiefs and the president. Tell me who is at fault?
In any case, our government is too busy removing guns from registered owners and disbursing militia. Militia was established as a mechanism of safeguard, to make sure someone acts, if the government is impotent. The reason why we own firearms is to protect ourselves and our families. The 2nd ammendment exists for that same reason. When the government failed to do ANYTHING in new orleans and lawlesness set upon the city, I would be one pissed off camper if my firearms were taken away. How would I protect my family and property from the thugs who are running around, robbing, stealing, raping people and ravaging through everyone's property.
Although shooting at rescuers was horrible, the solution wasn't much better. National guard should have been put on full tactical alert days before, when the evacuation order was issued. But see, there is the real problem. Louisiana and MS national guard happen to be stationed in BASRA.
So my blaim lies in the impotence of whitehouse, the bulls**t war in Iraq (remeber, 9/11 comission said there was absolutely zero connection with Iraq and terrorism). I blaim bush, and his incompetent cabinet. Boy do I miss his father and Ronald Regan.
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h2o
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You know what everyone points fingers for who's at fault. I'll tell you what the fault is,
"HURRICANE" there's your root to fault.
So many guns were looted, so taking guns away to save live's is the best idea for the special, now that's special circumstance's for rectifing this situation.Real Gun owners will get them back.
Oh by the way. Not many citizens are left there and the one's that are don't need guns. Why you ask, well there shooting and KILLING!!!! people that's why. So to try and solve the problem is to take the guns away for now. You'll see when they start the re-build guns will be back.
Now how many guns were looted? Thousands!!!! Hail taken there looted guns back.
h2o<---says and that's all I have to say about that.....
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SNAGMAN
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OK I'm gonna weigh-in on this subject.
I believe every law abiding American citizen has the right to own and bear arms. I believe every law-abiding citizen has the right to protect their family and property by any and all means. I believe in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights that was hammered out by our forefathers and that its sole basis for guiding our society in our part of the world should not be interpreted, altered or changed.
I hate and despise reading or seeing on television and hearing on the radio those Lawyers,Judges,Govt Officials and Special Interest Groups and Immigrants who try and do just that for the purposes of their own interests to suit and fit their needs and desires at the expense of the majority of law abiding American citizens.
The situation in New Orleans brought to light a lot of problems and opportunities to correct,implement and excel in the future. The breakdown of New Orleans government and law enforcement lent for a city with no way to protect its remaining citizens and their property. Hence the reason for the call up of the military both State and Federal. In light of understanding civility and law and order was deteriorating quickly I can see where local government officials and law enforcement officers paniced and figured a quick fix solution was to ban all firearms. But from day one has any of the levels of Government done anything right in this disaster?
My experience was when no matter where in the world the US military was called in for police action, the first thing out was to eliminate as best as possible weapons from the area, that way knowing who and what element actually had the weapons. Case in point in Afghan and Iraq, as each village and city is deemed safe, those that were left deemed law-abiding citizens where given or allowed to keep their personal weapons for their own protection. Thats just the way it works.
Watching things unfold in New Orleans, can you imagine under the ever watchful and ever present reporter for CNN, following a military squad into the early days of the disaster and a gun fight happens ending up with nothing more than a misunderstanding of law-abiding citizens protecting their constitutional rights against those brought in to help and enforce those same rights. Worse case scenario I admit, but it could very well have happened..Then what? With the immeadiate call of racial factors involved what if it had been against blacks or hispanic or asian or even white, then what? Even as late as this week, it has come out that some of the accusations of alleged rape and shootings and other things were rumor and unfounded claims, this admission from the Police Cdr, who was the first to release those reports.
The disaster in New Orleans is a special instance and should be treated as such, but not as a basis to challenge or change our Constitution or Bill of Rights.
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Bullhunter
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The problem isn't guns. The problem is evil people.
Guns do not kill people, evil people kill people.
It's about time the law killed the evil people who kill good people with weapons.
Muslim Terrorists killed thousands of people on 9-11 attacks with our airliners.
What the hell is the law and authorities doing? Taking knitting needles away from old ladies and toe nail clippers away from college students. When they go through security at airports.
Lets keep punishing the good folks for what the bad folks are doing.
The law abiding citzens of this country have the right to keep and bare arms. Its simple, printed in black and white.
How do you think countries like Germany got in situations like Hitler. Loss alittle right here, another little right there, and before you know it the bigger protections are being taken away from you. "For your own good and protection."
I will never buy into any of my rights being infringed upon for any reason.
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icefishermanmark
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| Quote (Bullhunter @ Sep. 29 2005,11:21) | | Lets keep punishing the good folks for what the bad folks are doing. |
It sucks that it works that way  |
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